TALK - Rozmowy [H]

[Ramowy]

Na Erowidzie znajduje się anonimowo opisane nieformalne badanie przeprowadzone w latach 80, dotyczące zastosowania fenyloetyloaminy 2C-D i jej analogów w usprawnianiu przyswajania wiedzy.

Dawki 5-10 mg 2C-D w relacjach opublikowanych w wyżej wspomnianym artykule zasadniczo zdają się dodawać pewności siebie, wspomagać koncentracje, a tym samym usprawniać wyobraźnię i rozumienie idei, pomysłów, założeń w czytanych tekstach czy nawet komponowanej i słyszanej muzyce.

most subjects began making major changes in their lives. Since many were students at the local universities some changed their majors, transferred to a better school, left the area to places where they felt there was more opportunity, quit the job they had for a better one, got in a meaningful relationship, etc. A few said it should be called "courage", because it seemed to give them the needed push to move onward. Nearly all who were students reported better grades with less effort. Exams were no longer an anathema. Many reported that they were no longer bitchy when studying for finals.

What was interesting was the possibility that he was tuning into the lecturer's thoughts, as the latter was groping for the correct word, and somehow, LAZAR knew what the word was before it was uttered.

The one full day was spent after ingesting a small (10 mg) amount of 2CD on my part. It is difficult to differentiate between cause and effect at this point, but I will tell you that in the space of that time, I felt as if my brain had been washed in the waters of some cool, clear, sweet, spring; that some kind of opaque filmy veil had been flushed away and that cortical tissues were being exposed to brilliant light. The nature of our conversations was so intense at times, that I would have to leave him and go for a short solitary walk because of being in overload.

In that period of my life I was playing GO on the computer several hours every day. I had set the level of difficulty so that I usually win with a small margin, with a score of around twenty, but I have to work hard to do it. That afternoon with the 2-CD, I won consistently with scores up around 100-130! My only sensations were clarity and ease. Effortless. The clarity penetrated all of my mental processing, and trailed off in three or four days.

2C-D ma również znacząco ułatwiać naukę do egzaminów, nie wywołując żadnych negatywnych efektów, oprócz czasem występującego rozproszenia myśli (brak samej chęci na naukę) i ochoty na sex.

Sensitivity to this compound varied among the test subjects some finding that 5 mg (or even less) worked just fine for them and others stated that this dosage was not effective. So every one worked out their particular level. In those subjects who had a greater sensitivity to this compound, laughter, hilarity, and giggling interfered with studying or other learning pursuits. During this time of initial exploration it was noted that these materials worked best on individuals who were inclined to be serious about their study habits. When used by persons who tended to be less than studious when confronted with a book or lessons, they would think shortly of how much more fun it would be if they were playing catch, riding a motorcycle, drinking beer or just generally goofing off. In these cases the smart pills were of no advantage and probably were a hindrance to the overall process of learning.

Wiedza nabyta podczas intoksykacji nie jest zależna od obecności substanacji w organiźmie.

Carl excitedly reported to LAZAR that he had passed the fourth semester German exam with a "C" and that during the test when he needed a word it was right there. He also said that he did not use a smart pill for the final exam indicating that the learning is not state dependent. That is, you do not need to be in the same slightly altered state when retrieving the information as when learning it.

Przebadane zostały również wybrane analogi 2C-D, które miały być udoskonaloną cząsteczką, wyzbytą skłonności do rozproszenia się, i działającą nawet do 10 godzin. Autor sugeruje różne zastosowania do poszczególnych analogów, przypisując różne typy skupienia pod wpływem substancji różnego typu zajęciom około naukowych.



Tak jak zauważa redakcja Erowida, materiał nie ma praktycznie żadnych ciemnych stron oraz jest opublikowany anonimowo, co nie pozwala na potraktowanie go poważnie. Czy istnieją inne, bardziej profejsonalne badania nad wpływem psychodelicznych fenyloetyloamin na efektywność uczenia się?

[Mayday]

Nie pamietam teraz zadnej publikacji z udzialem typowych psychodelikow ale natknalem sie na takie które pokazuja ze układ 5-HT może mieć wpływ na uczenie sie.
np: selektywny agonista receptora 5-HT3 zwany RS-56812 dał małpom lepsze wyniki w testach na pamięc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9051751

a agonista 5-HT1B CP-94,253 zmniejsza sennosc i uwalnia dopamine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8788962

antagonisci 5-HT6 Ro 04-6790 i 8-OH-DPAT mogą mieć dobry wpływ na nauczanie
http://biblioteca.cinvestav.mx/indicado ... 3163_2.pdf

[protech33]

Albo moze latwiej uzyskac to usuwajac po porstu chlor z 2C-C?
Nie wiem, raczkuje jeszcze w tej dziedzinie i licze na wasza pomoc.

[kmcczg]

Nie wiem, w czym miałoby to pomóc.
Halogenki można usunąć, ale zawsze w jego miejsce wskoczy inna grupa która kompletnie zmieni właściwości związku.
Zawsze można przetestować te informacje na własnej skórze, na pewno się nie potrujemy ;)